“In solidarity with Mother Earth and all her creatures”
Does that include viable unborn babies?
Marmon
Pat Kittle
May 3, 2022
If you call fetuses “unborn babies” you ought to call babies “born fetuses.”
I respect the sincere concern of most anti-abortionists — I realize you don’t necessarily “hate women” or “want to keep them barefoot & pregnant.”
But if abortion is banned, are YOU going to take care of the millions upon millions of unwanted children that will result?
No??
So who do you propose will? Who’s going to love them? Who’s going to pay for them, both directly & indirectly (more crime)?
(I can never get anti-abortionists to answer these real-world questions.)
Marmon
May 4, 2022
Mr. Kittle, you may be good at football but otherwise you don’t know what you’re talking about. Some states may ban abortions but most will just put restrictions in place, some like california will go full board on the killing. The unwanted children you’re talking about are not newborns, newborns can be adopted fast. Most the kids that are in the system are damaged kids, mostly teenagers. I blame most the damage on liberal policies towards drug addiction and other crazy shit being crammed down everyone’s throat. The system now only gives a parent 6 months for a child under 3 to change their lives but it offers no treatment or adequate support. Young parents are set up to fail while the system and fost/adopt agencies rake in the dollars. Folks looking to adopt a baby have discovered the best way to do that is through fost/adopt. If more babies were available through a legitimate adoption agency the system and fost/adopt agencies wouldn’t need to legally kidnap children from struggling parents.
Marmon
Marmon
May 4, 2022
The Clinton’s Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997 (ASFA) is the culprit. It was supposed to help children lanquising in foster care find permanent homes but instead turned the whold shit show upside down.
Marmon
Marmon
May 4, 2022
By the way, most of the damaged teenagers are a product of the system. Moving a kid around to 20 different foster homes doesn’t help things.
Marmon
Pat Kittle
May 6, 2022
Marmon,
I’ll answer that question for you, since you anti-abortionists never get around to it.
You’ve adopted precisely ZERO unwanted babies/children.
Pat Kittle
May 5, 2022
Marmon,
(In typical AVA fashion) 2 of the 3 civil, on-topic comments I’ve directed to you here have been censored.
So I’ll just ask you one brief question, in the unlikely event this comment is permitted:
How many unwanted babies/children have YOU adopted?
Marmon
May 3, 2022
RE: THE LEAKED SCOTUS OPINION
What was the ruling in Dobbs v Jackson?
This draft opinion would overturn Roe v. Wade and Casey, allowing states to determine the legality of abortions. In California you will still be able to kill as many of babies as you want.
In the 70’s my first wife and I were faced with the decision to abort or not. Our son had died of Cystic Fibrosis and she and I were pursured by doctors to abort our second child. The reasoning was that there was a high probabily that carrying a full term child to birth from two CF carriers would be nothing more than a death sentence for that unborn child.
There should be some exceptions for abortion, but things like interfering with a womam career or getting strech marks should not be a measure for legal abortions.
Marmon
P.S. Our lives were changed forever.
Fast forward to today, CF babies are now living long lives thanks to research and care.
Marmon
May 3, 2022
I can remember driving over an hundred of miles per hour on the old 101 between Cloverdale and Santa Rosa to be present with my son’s last breath. Life is precious, I made it, I watched him die.
“In solidarity with Mother Earth and all her creatures”
Does that include viable unborn babies?
Marmon
If you call fetuses “unborn babies” you ought to call babies “born fetuses.”
I respect the sincere concern of most anti-abortionists — I realize you don’t necessarily “hate women” or “want to keep them barefoot & pregnant.”
But if abortion is banned, are YOU going to take care of the millions upon millions of unwanted children that will result?
No??
So who do you propose will? Who’s going to love them? Who’s going to pay for them, both directly & indirectly (more crime)?
(I can never get anti-abortionists to answer these real-world questions.)
Mr. Kittle, you may be good at football but otherwise you don’t know what you’re talking about. Some states may ban abortions but most will just put restrictions in place, some like california will go full board on the killing. The unwanted children you’re talking about are not newborns, newborns can be adopted fast. Most the kids that are in the system are damaged kids, mostly teenagers. I blame most the damage on liberal policies towards drug addiction and other crazy shit being crammed down everyone’s throat. The system now only gives a parent 6 months for a child under 3 to change their lives but it offers no treatment or adequate support. Young parents are set up to fail while the system and fost/adopt agencies rake in the dollars. Folks looking to adopt a baby have discovered the best way to do that is through fost/adopt. If more babies were available through a legitimate adoption agency the system and fost/adopt agencies wouldn’t need to legally kidnap children from struggling parents.
Marmon
The Clinton’s Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997 (ASFA) is the culprit. It was supposed to help children lanquising in foster care find permanent homes but instead turned the whold shit show upside down.
Marmon
By the way, most of the damaged teenagers are a product of the system. Moving a kid around to 20 different foster homes doesn’t help things.
Marmon
Marmon,
I’ll answer that question for you, since you anti-abortionists never get around to it.
You’ve adopted precisely ZERO unwanted babies/children.
Marmon,
(In typical AVA fashion) 2 of the 3 civil, on-topic comments I’ve directed to you here have been censored.
So I’ll just ask you one brief question, in the unlikely event this comment is permitted:
How many unwanted babies/children have YOU adopted?
RE: THE LEAKED SCOTUS OPINION
What was the ruling in Dobbs v Jackson?
This draft opinion would overturn Roe v. Wade and Casey, allowing states to determine the legality of abortions. In California you will still be able to kill as many of babies as you want.
In the 70’s my first wife and I were faced with the decision to abort or not. Our son had died of Cystic Fibrosis and she and I were pursured by doctors to abort our second child. The reasoning was that there was a high probabily that carrying a full term child to birth from two CF carriers would be nothing more than a death sentence for that unborn child.
There should be some exceptions for abortion, but things like interfering with a womam career or getting strech marks should not be a measure for legal abortions.
Marmon
P.S. Our lives were changed forever.
Fast forward to today, CF babies are now living long lives thanks to research and care.
I can remember driving over an hundred of miles per hour on the old 101 between Cloverdale and Santa Rosa to be present with my son’s last breath. Life is precious, I made it, I watched him die.
Marmon